| Opinion Polling ( 26 December 2008 ) |
Whether Russia build 5th generation fighter?
Results: 444
Absolutely!
37.2% (165)
It has already built, but secret.
29.5% (131)
Likely
19.4% (86)
Never!
14% (62)
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 Postroit... vozmozhno... pyat' shtuk... dlya VVS Indii 
[Gost', 10.01.2009 17:12]
CHto pustyat v seriyu, to i budet khot' 17m pokoleniem.
Tak chto edinstvennyj predstavitel' - F-22, kotoryj vskore zamenit rabochuyu loshadku F-15.
Mozhna skazat', chto u Rossii voobshche net nikakikh pokolenij i letat' na nikh nekomu.
[Prokhodil mimo, 04.01.2009 02:48]
Zabavno. Samye bol'shie umniki nachinayut rech' s togo, chto nikto krome nikh nichego ne znaet.
Davat' ssylki na vikipediyu dazhe neser'ezno i neprilichno. Pri zhelanii kazhdyj mozhet napechatat' tam vse, chto ugodno.
Bylo lyubopytno posmotret' ssylochku.
Interesnyj spisok trebovanij. KHochetsya uznat', kto ego sostavlyal. Pryam kak gospod': dolzhno byt' tak-to i tak.
Vo-pervykh g-n SHneje, vidimo ne dochital stat'yu, kak i komment Bernardova (Lokkhidovskomu KH-35 eshche rasti i rasti do serijnogo F-35, soglasen tut s odnim chelovekom, no ne tol'ko u nas generaly govoryat, chto vse po planu: von eshche v 2003 prinyatie KH-35 planirovali, potom v 2009, no dela ne idut ).
A v stat'e chetko opisany t.n. russkaya i amerikanskaya kontseptsiya.
Tak chto vse ehti «trebovaniya» (matchast' ) svodyatsya k sverkhzvukovym krejserskim skorostyam, moguchim EHVM i integral'noj skheme fyuzelyazha.
Takim obrazom, vashi istrebiteli 5ogo pokoleniya uzhe 30 let borozdyat vozdushnye prostory.
A Bernardovu respekt. Gramotnyj chelovek.
[Gost', 04.01.2009 00:36]
Da pozhalujsta [censored]... a nam vashche [censored] na 5-e pokolenie.
V Rossii uzhe davno sozdan i postupaet na vooruzhenie 6-e pokolenie, pervaya ego demonstratsiya byla v fil'me, nazvanie sekretno.
Tam ono nazyvalos' "pepelats", s tekh por proshlo ne malo let i pepelatsy uzhe postupili v vojska, sekret gravitsapy voennaya tajna.
))))
[Volkodav, 02.01.2009 19:40]
Gospoda vse zhe vy neskol'ko utrirujte. Dumayu chto v to chto nazyvayut istrebitelem pyatogo pokoleniya ponyatie rasplyvchatoe. Napomnyu chto i shvedy schitayut svoj Grippen takovym. Rafal', Tajfun vse zhe tozhe podobnye mashiny. A chto kasaetsya Rossii mashiny podobnogo plana poyavyat'sya v samoe blizhajshee vremya. Tol'ko v chasti oni postupyat ne ran'she 2015. I to ehto optimisticheskaya otsenka.
[Vyacheslav, 02.01.2009 13:45]
Gospodin, Bernardov i prochie kollegi!
Izvinite, no po vsej vidimosti vy krajne poverkhnostno predstavlyaete, chto takoe istrebitel' 5-go pokoleniya. Est' opredelennyj neot'emnyj nabor priznakov, kharakterizuyushchij takie samolety. Vse chto Vy ukazali (KH-29, Mig1.44 i td) ehto ne istrebiteli i dazhe ne prototipy onykh, ehto letayushchie platformy dlya izucheniya opredelennykh tekhnologicheskikh aspektov.
Uchim matchast':
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istrebitel'_pyatogo_pokoleniya
V mire est' 2 istrebitelya obladayushchie ehtim naborom priznakov, t.e. istrebiteli 5-go pokoleniya - F-22 i F-35.
Rossiya k sozhaleniyu (ili k schast'yu), poka ne prodemonstrirovala nam takikh mashin. I kak mne kazhetsya, ne prodemonstriruet. Kak zayavil, neskol'ko ehmotsional'no, no vse zhe tochno po suti, gospodin Seryj, u ehtoj strany v blizhajshee vremya i na ochen' dolgie gody vpered budut sovershenno drugie problemy, nezheli sozdanie vysokotekhnologichnoj boevoj tekhniki.
Spasibo za vnimanie.
[Aaron SHneje, 02.01.2009 10:58]
Uzhas, skol'ko soplej stradal'cheskikh.
[Volkodav, 31.12.2008 13:10]
Da [censored] tut bashku [censored] i sekretit'sya, on byl uzhe postroen eshchyo v 1935-m godu I-16 [censored] i ni[censored] )))))
[Il'ya Muromets, 31.12.2008 10:53]
Having read the comments below, I’ve arrived at the conclusion that all of these people, except Tiger II, have no idea what fifth generation jet plane even means and what characterizes it. However they make bold to judge. There are two approaches to the matter. The first is avionics: every odd generation (1st – 1939-1940s, 3rd – 1950s-1970s (still at use and basic)) brought a new concept of it and every even one (2nd – 1940s-1950s, 4th – 1970s-1990s (so called the modern)) are upgraded in board radio electronic equipment (BREE), engines and armament. The second and modern approach is improvement of BREE.
And both were followed. The representatives of fifth gen. by first approach – S-37 “Berkut”(1997) and X-29 (1984!); by the second – MiG 1.44(1994), F-22(1997), X-35(2000).
I must put a stress on that all of the military technologies (except electronic soft and hardware) used today were invented about 20 years ago.
The truth is also that Russian planes of 4th gen. are not “soldier’s” ones, heavy, complicated to pilot, with low range and armament weight, and they are incomparable with their great predecessor MiG-21.
And only reason why Russians never can finish the job is that Russia is inhabited by people, speaking disrespectfully about their own country.
[Bernardov, 30.12.2008 19:58]
Vyacheslav, ne bud'te naivnym chelovekom! Na to on i glavnokomanduyushchij, chtoby raportovat' o tom, chto "vse idet po planu". Vsyo ehto skazki pro belogo bychka. 12-go avgusta pro ehto zayavlenie nikto ne vspomnit, potomu chto problemy budut drugie - neft' v obmen na snikersy, da polugodovye zadolzhennosti po zarplate i armiya bezrabotnogo bydla, i t.d.
A esli kto i vspomnit, to u rulya budet uzhe drugoj glavnokomanduyushchij, kotoryj skazhet, chto za slova svoego poloumnogo predshestvennika otvestvennosti on ne neset i pafosno zayavit, chto pervye 3 ehkzemplyara my poluchim k 1 aprelya 2011 goda. i t.d... Projdenyj ehto ehtap. Vy chto Rossiyu matushku na znaete???.. Vse chto bylo sdelano v aviatsii, bylo sdelano pri sovke, sejchas otzhimayut poslednie soki iz ehtogo zadela. No ochen' skoro on zakonchitsya i agly...
[Seryj, 29.12.2008 08:07]
26 dekabrya 2008 goda glavnokomanduyushchij VVS Rossii general-polkovnik Aleksandr Zelin soobshchil, chto k 12 avgusta 2009 g. Rossiya poluchit letnyj obrazets samoleta pyatogo pokoleniya i v ehtom zhe godu on podnimetsya v vozdukh. "Rabota nad samoletom idet po planu, vse zadachi vypolnyayutsya. V sleduyushchem godu my dolzhny poluchit' pervye tri mashiny. V nastoyashchee vremya vse oni nakhodyatsya v sostoyanii sborki, v toj ili inoj stepeni gotovnosti", - otmetil Zelin.
[Vyacheslav, 28.12.2008 21:07]
They probably had a 5th-gen a long time ago. When the Suth Koreans and the Japanese are already working on a 5th-gen, you can bet the Americans and Russians have had them for a while. China probbly is making licensed copies as well.
[TigerII, 26.12.2008 22:18]
Da nikogda ego nepostroyat! Kakoe tut 5-e pokolenie? Neschastnykh bojtsovskikh khosyachkov su-35 do uma dovesti ne mogut!
A vse ehti velosipedy 1.44 i prochie "Terminatory" - skazki dlya oblaposhivaniya ura-patrioticheskogo naseleniya i vytyagivaniya bobla iz byudzheta. Kak obstoyat dela na samom dele? OCHEN' PLOKHO! Vse tekhnologii moral'no ustareli. Vyzhumut poslednie soki iz togo chto v sovke uspeli pridumat' - sukhariki da migi, rasprodadut raznym alzhiram i indoneziyam i svintyat na sejshely s den'gami. I vse. Na pojomku nashu voennuyu aviatsiyu i promyshlennost'. Na kakikh samoletakh budut letat' VVS Rashi cherez 15 let? V luchshem sluchae na bu-shnykh mig-29, kotorye bangladesh za mazutu i zoloto smenyaet, a skoree vsego na An-2. Tak chto samoe vremya mebel'nuyu promyshlennost' podymat' - i proizsovdstvo lagg-3 da i-16 nalazhivat'... kha-akha! Samoe to dlya russkogo cheloveka.
I voobshche, ubezhden, esli i ostanetsya takoe gosudarstvo kak Rossiya let cherez 30 , to tol'ko v vide zooparka-kuntskamery, chtoby drugie znali kak zhit' nel'zya.
Uvidimsya v luchshej life!
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